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Post by CSpacehead on Apr 28, 2007 17:39:37 GMT
All im saying is im proud i actually follow my home-town team through thick and thin,ATTEND THE GAMES and have done since a boy.
Fuck these people who latch onto a team cos they have won trophies and have seen them on the tele.
The people who say the Premiership is the best in the world know what they are on about. All you have to do watch the football to see English football is the best.
Rangers and Celtic are bound to have good support look at the size of the city!! Shame they win fuck all else apart from the Special-needs Premier League. The standard is like watching Sunday League
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Post by blair_omnibus on Apr 28, 2007 17:53:37 GMT
All im saying is im proud i actually follow my home-town team through thick and thin,ATTEND THE GAMES and have done since a boy. Fuck these people who latch onto a team cos they have won trophies and have seen them on the tele. The people who say the Premiership is the best in the world know what they are on about. All you have to do watch the football to see English football is the best. Rangers and Celtic are bound to have good support look at the size of the city!! Shame they win fuck all else apart from the Special-needs Premier League. The standard is like watching Sunday League English football is overated, over hyped and over priced. I support my team home & away. Following Rangers has taken me to Dortmund, Stuttgart, Paris, Liverpool, Manchester & Turin. Rangers & Celtic in what you say is a retarded league, have consistently had better average crowds to anyone in the premiership in comparison to their ground size. So i don't know what you're talking about there. Who are you sayimng here doesn't attend games, i don;t get it?
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Post by David on Apr 28, 2007 19:17:51 GMT
I don't attend games often, simply because I simply haven't been able to for the last couple of years. That does not stop me from being a fan, or a passionate one to boot.
I mean, I started supporting Man United when I was about five years old, when the last time they'd won the top flight was about 24 years previously. I've never lived in Manchester, but my family always had, and thats how I was brought up. Its not glory supporting and it doesn't make me any less of a fan. Its like the people who say clubs like your Arsenals/Chelseas/Man Utds aren't REAL football clubs just because theyre successful. I hate that shit, and I get it all the time. Its rubbish.
Blair only likes the Scottish league because if Rangers were in any other league, he wouldn't have been to Dortmund, Stuttgart, Paris, Liverpool, Mancheter & Turin. The truth is, teams from the SPL more often transfer players to and from the Championship than the Premiership and that tells a story in itself.
As far as support goes, passion doesn't change regardless of leagues/countries and so on. I've seen United play at Old Trafford many times, but the best atmosphere and most passionate away support was for Barcelona, over any British team I've seen them play, including Arsenal when the rivalry was super-hot.
As for overpriced, Old Trafford is the thirdd cheapest ground in the Premier League I think, like behind Reading or something. But considering traveling United/Arsenal/Liverpool fans have to pay £60 to see them play Fulham at Craven Cottage whereas "lesser" travelling fans only have to pay £40 or £30, overpricing is an issue.
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Post by tonyhancock on Apr 28, 2007 20:08:04 GMT
As for overpriced, Old Trafford is the thirdd cheapest ground in the Premier League I think I hear so many different facts and figures regarding this. All the anti-Glazer Man Utd fans claim that it's one of the most expensive and Man Utd are the only club except Spurs who are going to raise their season ticket prices next year and everyones being priced out of going to Old Trafford, hence the formation of FC United, apparently. Not sure what to think really
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Post by blair_omnibus on Apr 28, 2007 21:53:51 GMT
I don't attend games often, simply because I simply haven't been able to for the last couple of years. That does not stop me from being a fan, or a passionate one to boot. I mean, I started supporting Man United when I was about five years old, when the last time they'd won the top flight was about 24 years previously. I've never lived in Manchester, but my family always had, and thats how I was brought up. Its not glory supporting and it doesn't make me any less of a fan. Its like the people who say clubs like your Arsenals/Chelseas/Man Utds aren't REAL football clubs just because theyre successful. I hate that shit, and I get it all the time. Its rubbish. Blair only likes the Scottish league because if Rangers were in any other league, he wouldn't have been to Dortmund, Stuttgart, Paris, Liverpool, Mancheter & Turin. The truth is, teams from the SPL more often transfer players to and from the Championship than the Premiership and that tells a story in itself. As far as support goes, passion doesn't change regardless of leagues/countries and so on. I've seen United play at Old Trafford many times, but the best atmosphere and most passionate away support was for Barcelona, over any British team I've seen them play, including Arsenal when the rivalry was super-hot. As for overpriced, Old Trafford is the thirdd cheapest ground in the Premier League I think, like behind Reading or something. But considering traveling United/Arsenal/Liverpool fans have to pay £60 to see them play Fulham at Craven Cottage whereas "lesser" travelling fans only have to pay £40 or £30, overpricing is an issue. If Rangers and Celtic were in the Premiership or generating the revenue the Premiership clubs do, they would be the biggest clubs in the world after 4/5 years, easily. You go on about the how big these clubs are. In Scotland they are making about a tenth of what all the premiership sides do, they play in a country almost a tenth in size, and we are still regarded within the top 20 clubs in the world. You trully do not know the size of these clubs and the way you whine and try and defend your club is boring. So if Man Utd are one of the cheapest, they won't be now. Huge season ticket increase this season. Enjoy that.
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Post by CSpacehead on Apr 28, 2007 23:03:27 GMT
I don't attend games often, simply because I simply haven't been able to for the last couple of years. That does not stop me from being a fan, or a passionate one to boot. I mean, I started supporting Man United when I was about five years old, when the last time they'd won the top flight was about 24 years previously. I've never lived in Manchester, but my family always had, and thats how I was brought up. Its not glory supporting and it doesn't make me any less of a fan. Its like the people who say clubs like your Arsenals/Chelseas/Man Utds aren't REAL football clubs just because theyre successful. I hate that shit, and I get it all the time. Its rubbish. Blair only likes the Scottish league because if Rangers were in any other league, he wouldn't have been to Dortmund, Stuttgart, Paris, Liverpool, Mancheter & Turin. The truth is, teams from the SPL more often transfer players to and from the Championship than the Premiership and that tells a story in itself. As far as support goes, passion doesn't change regardless of leagues/countries and so on. I've seen United play at Old Trafford many times, but the best atmosphere and most passionate away support was for Barcelona, over any British team I've seen them play, including Arsenal when the rivalry was super-hot. As for overpriced, Old Trafford is the thirdd cheapest ground in the Premier League I think, like behind Reading or something. But considering traveling United/Arsenal/Liverpool fans have to pay £60 to see them play Fulham at Craven Cottage whereas "lesser" travelling fans only have to pay £40 or £30, overpricing is an issue. If Rangers and Celtic were in the Premiership or generating the revenue the Premiership clubs do, they would be the biggest clubs in the world after 4/5 years, easily. You go on about the how big these clubs are. In Scotland they are making about a tenth of what all the premiership sides do, they play in a country almost a tenth in size, and we are still regarded within the top 20 clubs in the world. You trully do not know the size of these clubs and the way you whine and try and defend your club is boring. So if Man Utd are one of the cheapest, they won't be now. Huge season ticket increase this season. Enjoy that. See its all facts and figures about how big a club the likes of Rangers are. In reality look at whats going on on the pitch. ITS SHITE!
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Post by David on Apr 29, 2007 3:07:27 GMT
According to the BBC website, as of 2006, Celtic were the 16th wealthiest club in the world. Considering their great run in the Champions League this season, you'd expect that to go a little higher this year too. As of 2007, Rangers were the 18th richest in the world with only six premiership clubs above them.
I know Blake is already taking a rather easy £20 off you Blair, but if you'd like to place another bet based on this evidence and your "if Rangers and Celtic were generating the revenue the Premiership clubs do they would be the biggest clubs in the world after 4/5 years, easily" argument, I'd be happy to partake?! Say, £20, Rangers to be dominating Europe in 4 years?
Sorry, I realise I'm being flippant with your notion of your team being the Little Club that Could but you must realise its rather silly to state that you can pack out a 50,000 seater stadium every week and between two clubs monopolise Scottish football without actually realising your club is incredibly rich. This is in turn why you are, like you rightly said, considered one of the top twenty football clubs Not because your "on-a-shoesting" football turns heads and gasps of adoration for doing oh so well without any money, but because, you categorically ARE one of the twenty biggest clubs in the world. But only in this cold, clinical financial sense.
As a club, you are. As a team, you're not.
I know its a cynical way of looking at it but football wise Rangers just aren't up there. And as Chris put it previously, look at whats going on on the pitch. Its not top 20 in the world material.
Think of clubs in recent years who are below Rangers in the finance stakes who have actually performed. Porto and Monaco ring a bell? Then add teams like Valencia/PSV/Sevillia/Lyon who are all there or thereabouts. Often brilliant.
Rangers are a great club with a grand tradition and clearly passionate support. They have the money and the potential as I have pointed out. But the simple truth is that the money you have isn't producing. I have no doubts that one day it will and its there for the taking but until then, the argument that it "just aint fair guv'nor, we's dead poor" doesn't hold. Once you start living up to your top twenty status, thats when you should be proud.
At the moment, English clubs are. Champions League record for the last three years is sensational. I'm not saying this could realistically be repeated in Scotland - overall there is clearly more money in the English game, spread out over more clubs but at the moment, English clubs are seizing that potential. Scottish clubs just aren't.
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Post by blair_omnibus on Apr 29, 2007 9:05:44 GMT
According to the BBC website, as of 2006, Celtic were the 16th wealthiest club in the world. Considering their great run in the Champions League this season, you'd expect that to go a little higher this year too. As of 2007, Rangers were the 18th richest in the world with only six premiership clubs above them. I know Blake is already taking a rather easy £20 off you Blair, but if you'd like to place another bet based on this evidence and your "if Rangers and Celtic were generating the revenue the Premiership clubs do they would be the biggest clubs in the world after 4/5 years, easily" argument, I'd be happy to partake?! Say, £20, Rangers to be dominating Europe in 4 years? Sorry, I realise I'm being flippant with your notion of your team being the Little Club that Could but you must realise its rather silly to state that you can pack out a 50,000 seater stadium every week and between two clubs monopolise Scottish football without actually realising your club is incredibly rich. This is in turn why you are, like you rightly said, considered one of the top twenty football clubs Not because your "on-a-shoesting" football turns heads and gasps of adoration for doing oh so well without any money, but because, you categorically ARE one of the twenty biggest clubs in the world. But only in this cold, clinical financial sense. As a club, you are. As a team, you're not. I know its a cynical way of looking at it but football wise Rangers just aren't up there. And as Chris put it previously, look at whats going on on the pitch. Its not top 20 in the world material. Think of clubs in recent years who are below Rangers in the finance stakes who have actually performed. Porto and Monaco ring a bell? Then add teams like Valencia/PSV/Sevillia/Lyon who are all there or thereabouts. Often brilliant. Rangers are a great club with a grand tradition and clearly passionate support. They have the money and the potential as I have pointed out. But the simple truth is that the money you have isn't producing. I have no doubts that one day it will and its there for the taking but until then, the argument that it "just aint fair guv'nor, we's dead poor" doesn't hold. Once you start living up to your top twenty status, thats when you should be proud. At the moment, English clubs are. Champions League record for the last three years is sensational. I'm not saying this could realistically be repeated in Scotland - overall there is clearly more money in the English game, spread out over more clubs but at the moment, English clubs are seizing that potential. Scottish clubs just aren't. If you check the actual bollocks rich list you strated, that was incoming money only. Rangers only 2 years ago were £60 million in debt. They are still £20m in debt now. Did you check the difference in the amounts of money these clubs were generateing as well? Did you see the difference in the top 12 to the clubs below them. The bottom club in the premieship will get £30m tv money. For winning the league up here, about £2m. So if Rangers and Celtic had that tv money they would be in the top 5 biggest clubs in the world easily. Even without the money, Rangers got to the last 16 of the Champions League last year, Celtic did it this year, and Rangers got to the last 16 of the UEFA Cup. So you trying to be the clever cunt again trying to wager bets about things that actually don't exist or in fact that you know nothing about and looks quite silly to someone who would actually know anything about it. And i'm sure Russell will agree. Go have a read up about The Rangers and Celtic then come back and i'll humour your bets.
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Post by Russell Infidel on Apr 29, 2007 10:17:42 GMT
Gretna in the SPL next season. And what a way to do it with a last-kick-of-the-game winner. Fantastic. Would you prefer to pay via paypal, Blair?
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Post by Russell Infidel on Apr 29, 2007 10:27:26 GMT
So how do you think Celtic and Rangers would fare if the oft-talked-about move to the English premiership actually materialised? Their record against premiership clubs in europe in recent years says it all. We've beaten teams like Man United, Liverpool and the mighty Blackburn Rovers. No mean feat for a Sunday League team.
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Post by blair_omnibus on Apr 29, 2007 10:31:11 GMT
Gretna in the SPL next season. And what a way to do it with a last-kick-of-the-game winner. Fantastic. Would you prefer to pay via paypal, Blair? Stick your paypal address in a PM to me mate.
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Post by CSpacehead on Apr 29, 2007 10:55:05 GMT
Gretna in the SPL next season. And what a way to do it with a last-kick-of-the-game winner. Fantastic. Would you prefer to pay via paypal, Blair? Gretna aswell Russell? How many teams do you support like! This isnt aimed at you Russell but its funny how many people have jumped on the Gretna bandwagon since they have climbed the leagues. Thats Chelsea gone crazy that. A team with no history or fans til Mr Ponytail flashes his wallet. Celtic and Rangers have done very well in the past in one-off games, but Southend beat Manyoo in a one-off this season and look at them. You cant tell off one-off games im afraid. Plus Liverpool and Blackburn were in a terrible state when they played Celtic. I couldnt see the Old Firm handling games like Reading and Spurs away. No chance
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Post by Russell Infidel on Apr 29, 2007 11:18:27 GMT
Well, I am from Gretna (or just outside it) so I think I should be allowed to support them. I'm not surprised at you though, most Carlisle fans dislike them. Or should I say envy them. Blah blah, it's all about the money. Just like Chelsea. Fans don't care how they're doing well, as long as they are. Heard it all before. I'm sure you'd be dead against a multi-millionaire taking over Carlisle eh? What about the tradition? No one cares. They want their team to win.
For your information Chris, I support Man United and Celtic. Always have done because of my Dad. When Gretna started doing well I enjoyed that too. Stone me! Hell, I've even been to a couple of Carlisle games. I'll never get those few hours of my life back you know. ;D
Why Reading and Spurs? I think they'd stand a good chance against either of those teams. In fact, I think they'd hold their own with any team. They've proved that this year with good, hearty performances against top class opposition such as United and AC milan. It's all conjecture though. I don't think we'll ever find out for real.
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Post by blair_omnibus on Apr 29, 2007 11:20:04 GMT
Gretna in the SPL next season. And what a way to do it with a last-kick-of-the-game winner. Fantastic. Would you prefer to pay via paypal, Blair? Gretna aswell Russell? How many teams do you support like! This isnt aimed at you Russell but its funny how many people have jumped on the Gretna bandwagon since they have climbed the leagues. Thats Chelsea gone crazy that. A team with no history or fans til Mr Ponytail flashes his wallet. Celtic and Rangers have done very well in the past in one-off games, but Southend beat Manyoo in a one-off this season and look at them. You cant tell off one-off games im afraid. Plus Liverpool and Blackburn were in a terrible state when they played Celtic. I couldnt see the Old Firm handling games like Reading and Spurs away. No chance I'm disappointed in you mate. I though you new more about football. You say you couldn't see them handling Reading or Spurs away? Bollocks. And add to that only a couple of teams would get points at Ibrox or Porkheid. After a year or 2 of Premiership TV money, bit the Old Firm would easily attract big playes and both be top 5.
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Post by CSpacehead on Apr 29, 2007 11:22:14 GMT
Im just gonna leave this one the way its going now.
Or posting on here again for that matter.
The music talk on here is shite too.
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Post by Russell Infidel on Apr 29, 2007 11:29:01 GMT
Yeah, we are starting to go round in circles a wee bit. Maybe we should leave it there.
Ah well, at least some good has come from this. A blue nose and a tim praising each others teams. That's a bit of a rarity it must be said. ;D
I've enjoyed the football banter. Now let's talk about moozak.
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Post by blair_omnibus on Apr 29, 2007 11:38:52 GMT
Im just gonna leave this one the way its going now. Or posting on here again for that matter. The music talk on here is shite too. It's only a bit of banter mate.
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Post by CSpacehead on Apr 29, 2007 11:40:09 GMT
I dont wanna play out with you anymore
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Post by blair_omnibus on Apr 29, 2007 12:25:40 GMT
I dont wanna play out with you anymore Haha. At least we know we can kiss and make up over some/plenty of beers.
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Post by CSpacehead on Apr 29, 2007 13:07:58 GMT
I dont wanna play out with you anymore Haha. At least we know we can kiss and make up over some/plenty of beers. June 30th
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